In Part Two on the Ottoman Empire Dr Koontz and Rev Fisk talk about the secularization of the national identity of the Turks and their modern unsecularization, rebuilding after collapse, and the impossibility of maintaining a society without religious ideology.
Dr Koontz - Agrarian, Egghead - Concordia Theological Seminary Fort Wayne
Rev Fisk - Author, Fanatic - St Paul Rockford
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